Condor 2.0? honesty please

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Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby sisu1a » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:49 am

Greetings, for a long time the prospect of Condor 2.0 has been a running joke around here, since at least 2008 that I'm aware of, probably longer. I've periodically popped in to see if there's any progress and get what amounts to a blowoff with just enough of a hint that something may actually be being done to keep the dream alive.

Can Uros, GR, OXO or anyone connected with the dev team please let us know what is really going on with straight answers? We have been very patient and it would be nice to be told the truth where this project actually stands.

If it's lack of funds we can organize a kickstarter/gofundme/patrean/etc (I'd be happy to help) to make it happen right now, preferably with the original team that made this fine sim. However at this point they're not up for it or are too busy with life still and nothing is happening it's time to be honest and say so, that way the community can move on instead of waiting for something that is not going to happen.

VR is upon us and sailplane flight is a perfect fit in every way and never have such possibilities been so accessible. Lets not collectively blow this opportunity to showcase soaring to masses thirsty for quality VR experiences or waste any more of our time when we could be flying gliders in VR today.

DX7 is obsolete, even for 2d monitors or projection. Even just porting Condor to DX10/11/12 would be satisfactory, as the only thing Condor truly lacks is pixels and is still the goto soaring simulator. This is the most significant contribution to soaring that anyone could make at this time, and I'm sure I'm not alone wanting to throw money or time at it to make it happen.

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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby EDB » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:16 pm

They are working on it.
Just leave them alone, so they can do there job...
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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby xavierpitz » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:35 pm

sisu1a wrote:Greetings, for a long time the prospect of Condor 2.0 has been a running joke around here, since at least 2008 that I'm aware of
Respectfully,
-Paul


Hello Paul,

By sorting this "General" forum by descending number of views :
viewforum.php?f=1&sk=v

You'll notice that the original "Condor v2" thread, even if it has been censored on Thu May 08, 2014 is still one counting most of the views here (31877 and counting).
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4338

It has been started on Thu Aug 24, 2006. My son (who is a grown up boy right now) was born just the day before (23/08/2006).
When looking at him right now I can see how old this topic is. I hope that there will be a Condor V2 before his 10th anniversary, but looking at the information that filtered until now concerning V2 (which is almost non-existent, except the fact that some people pretend to be working on it since years) I wouldn't bet a lot on it...

It may well be the case that there is work been performed on V2, but the problem that I have with the
EDB wrote:Just leave them alone, so they can do there job...

argument is that I can't imagine them been soooo busy during all those years that they couldn't reveal a single screenshot, or release any substantial info about V2.

V2 is a simply a taboo subject here, you can see how people react when an attempt is made to talk about it.

Asking about V2 here is like going for the banana in the following story :

Did you ever wonder how your company's culture – that set of beliefs, traditions, and behavioral norms that determines "the way things work around here" – came to be? Or why, when you try to change it, it seems so resistant? Well, here's a little story about a scientific experiment that shows how culture comes into being and why it is so resistant.

The experimenters began with a cage, a set of externally enforced boundaries. Inside the cage, they hung a banana on a string and placed a set of stairs under it. They then introduced five monkeys into the cage. Before long, one of the monkeys started to climb the stairs toward the banana. As soon as it touched the stairs the experimenters sprayed all the other monkeys with really cold water. When another monkey made an attempt to get the banana they again sprayed the other monkeys with cold water. After a while the monkeys prevented any of their group from going after the banana.

After the cultural prohibition against "going for the banana" had been established the experimenters put away the cold water. They took one of the original monkeys out of the cage and introduced a new one. Upon spotting the banana the new monkey went after it. To its surprise and dismay all of the other monkeys attacked it. After another attempt and attack the new monkey learned that if it tried to climb the stairs and get the banana it would be assaulted and so it stopped going after the banana. It had been acculturated, assimilated into the cage's "don't go for the banana" culture.

Next the experimenters removed another of the original five monkeys and replaced it with another new one. The second new monkey went to the stairs and predictably it was attacked. The first new monkey took part in this punishment with enthusiasm! Similarly a third original monkey was replaced with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth.

Every time the newest monkey took to the stairs it was attacked by the other monkeys. Most of the monkeys that were beating it had no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they were participating in the beating of the newest monkey. After all the original monkeys were replaced none of the remaining monkeys had ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever approached the stairs to try for the banana. Why not? Because as far as they knew: "That's the way it's always been done around here."


Source : http://www.smartdraw.com/solutions/corporate-culture.htm

I hope you had a good laugh :-)

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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby phercek » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:39 pm

EDB wrote:Just leave them alone, so they can do there job...

Yep, it does not make sense to beat a dead horse :)

But I would say it does not make sense to ask about version 2.0 because the official policy is not to talk about version 2.0 development. In other words there is no information whatsoever about the progress. The only information is binary: it either is worked on or not. That is rather useless since if e.g. it is worked on 2 hours a week on Sunday evening when there is not a good movie in the TV then it as well as may not be developed at all. But it qualifies as being worked on.

It may be released tomorrow as well as never. Since it was not released for about 10 years now it is safe to assume it will not be ever released. When no additional information is available then the only thing you can take into account is statistics of this kind: What is the probability that a software project will be finished at all when 10 years after the development started there is still no releasable product? That is pretty bad. Especially because it makes sense to release gradually (iterative development). That is good to collect some license fees and to get some bug reports in (so that you do not need to test so much yourself). It may be a case that they have so many internal bug reports that getting external ones would be counter-productive. But if it is so then the chance of some release in the future is even lower.

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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby macsimc » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:57 pm

Don't underestimate the potential of 100 potential man-days :)

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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby Sephiroth0014 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:01 am

[joke]
phercek wrote:What is the probability that a software project will be finished at all when 10 years after the development started there is still no releasable product? That is pretty bad.

Ask to Axl Rose from Guns'n'roses how many time passed before release the album "Chinese Democracy" lol ;)
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More seriously, Oxo said this :
Here is the last word on this.

Any updates to condor or plane packs will be released only when they are ready. Until then, Condor Team will not announce anything. This has been the policy since the beginning.

I understand you may wish for more news, but that's how it is.

In the past I have leaked snippets from time to time, and I now see that this is counterproductive as it creates expectations, which then lead to demands from the community.

If you have any comments on this, then contact me by pm.

We have not finished with Condor.


In fact, I understand them... It's not a company, guys work by passion about developpement and gliders and haven't a payroll about all of this...

Just be patient, the actual version of condorsoaring works fine...
Maybe the beta test sequence is already start.... :-D
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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby Flightbase » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:11 pm

I doubt we will ever see V2.
"Working on it" does not mean it will be released at all.

Well now the season is about to begin again - and I`ll check the "Season's Greetings" at christmas 2016.
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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby Kekelekou » Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:10 pm

All these years have proven that OXO and Uros' communication is not influenced by the community : the content and the timing are only theirs. So I am afraid that such a thread is not to yield any result in that respect.

BUT

Yet another v2 thread is of tremendous importance to show to the Condor's development team that the community's interest in Condor v2 is still high. These heatted and passionate debates highlight how much the simmers enjoy Condor, and hence how they'd like Condor to live on.
It may feel at little bit intimidating for the dev team, but I am sure it is not ill-intentioned. Quite the opposite.

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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby GregHart1965 » Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:01 am

Personally I hope they do find the time and energy to produce an updated version with perhaps more complex and varied weather/wind creation options (would be awesome to have weather changes on a timeline so it could change dramatically during the flight).

I have been building a fairly big scenery so can understand just how much effort, time and motivation it takes to get things done. Well over a year of on and off spare time effort - still only about half way through it - LOL

Condor is great - long may it fly!

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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby Sephiroth0014 » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:45 am

Souvenirs souvenirs.....
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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby TheSoarer151 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:08 am

I like to say that we are a cult, praying and waiting for the second coming of Condor :).
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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby Sephiroth0014 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:17 am

Amen :)
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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby OXO » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:36 am

If only we could do it in 6 days, and rest on the seventh
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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby pstrzel » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:23 am

Brethren,
I think it's time that we consider that Condor's 2nd coming may not happen during our generation. We need to have a synod of senior forumites where it shall be decided which documentation needs to be canonized into the sacred Condor tradition, so at least our children will know what it was like when Condor was among us and we beheld its glory.
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Re: Condor 2.0? honesty please

Postby GregHart1965 » Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:27 am

Amen! ..aaaand Ive just started making another scenery :roll: - Lord Condor above save me from my sins...


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