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I don't know... I flew with ACE a few times, mostly on the French server (21:00 race), and he really was VERY fast! Can you actually cheat during the race? It would be a pitty to throw out a very good pilot if you are not absolutely, positively sure that he cheated.

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You should try to fly with his SBC2010-Day11 Condor Ghost ...

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Marek, have a look on WestAlpiCup results & comments on Postfrontal news page. Might be informative...

JKK

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I have no doubt that ACE cheats. I kicked him from MNS long ago.

Unfortunately, I don't think that a public announcement of his cheating will do any good. A name change and/or a new IP and he's back in business. We need a way to identify pilots by the Condor competition ID, the unique serial that comes with the software. Then, at least, when they're banned, they'll have to buy new software to come back.

There are many ways to cheat in Condor, and I believe that there are still some prominent cheaters at large. Call me paranoid. In any case, MNS is monitored as closely as possible and we try to keep the competition fair and honest. It's good to see SBC2010 laying down the law as well.

Such soft is almost ready to use, we can identify and compare Condor installations if 2 pilots are using one installation of Condor. Was developed for CWGC. But uniqueID solves this problem without extra software. I hope for soon implementation.

How do you do that?
By installing software on user's PC? Does it "watermark" the FTR/IGC? Please explain

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Sure, we are calling it FlightData Upload Manager, every ppl registered to competition must use this for briefing access and than for FTR,IGC upload. It solves using extra soft which we need. Than there are a few ways how find doublers, e.g. we can identify some PC components, we can read registry and compare with some DB. I think its enough. Simple warning system, which identify users with strange behaviour or similar hardware/registry config.

So next condor season we can fly with that tool! Nice to hear that!
It uses competition ID to compare with database or generate something from that? The ID is associated with the license, maybe you should make an another "code generator" with encrypting becasue of security reasons...

Ace's results will be just deleted or result will be recounted?

Sure, we can generate some code based on Condor registry record for comparing.

Clever
For security reason, don't send the registry key generated from serial number, but a hash of it instead!
Or better, don't use it at all and use other (secret) registry key, cheetah could temporary change the Condor registry key in order to obtain another ID.
I've another idea for your tool:
It could generate a code valids for 24h, like <UNIQUE ID>.<PILOT ID>.<CODE_OF_THE_DAY>.<CRC>
Unique ID = generated from Condor installation
Pilot ID = according to the pilot used in Condor menu

Then, me and others could use your system too on their site. Each time the guy wishes to upload a FTR, we could ask for this code and check the CRC.
And, thanks to the temporary code, it's more difficult to get differents codes if the user tries to cheat!

Thierry

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I dont know how its done but from what I have seen it is possible to significantly increase the glide performance without affecting climb performance as would be the case if a higher wing loading were used. I'm only aware of one other pilot who does this (not entered in SBC) & I'm not sure if it is related to the cheat but both pilots seem to have a habit of connecting, disconnecting then connecting again to the server.

Any method of cheat detection is great for comps like SBC but what is really needed is for the dev team to remove the possibility from Condor with the next patch so all servers are safe from cheats.

Of course we will dont send win registry records without sha1 plus any salt Own registry record was first idea. Your ideas is implemnted from part, because FDUM core is automaticaly updated so encoding key is changed e.g every week.

About your idea. There is also possibility write some code to FPL or IGC during transfer but than we must use own validator instead Condor, so we can simulate UniqueID till it will be implemented. Condor Validation check can be done before upload.

This last discussion puts forth many good ideas for identifying who is who, but does not suggest how cheaters might be caught in the first place. ACE got caught because he was blatant in his cheating. How about the cheaters who arent' so blatant? How do we catch them? The terrible thing about implementing any ID scheme is the additional administrative burden it places upon pilots and race organizers. Too bad that it seems necessary, and too bad just a few individuals can diminish the fun of Condor by their miserable behavior.

Jack, still no cheater sent valid flight data, so till this time cheating isnt problem or have somebody valid FTR and IGC from some cheater? So catching is easy. What we really need is system for multizone competitions to eliminate double flying imho.

btw: ACE pilot was here a few mins ago, so maybe we can join him back if he will say developers where patch is needed

Hi all,

you cant know what i was trying to do.
When i was looking to the results in sbc2010 i think there are some people they are actually real cheaters.
An i want to know how they are doing. I think its not possible to cheat in a online session.
So in my mind was: is possible to rebuild the actual online task and fly it as an offline task i.e. with thermal helpers on.
I think i found a way to manipulate some data in the FTR file after the flight (i.e. Thermalhelper)

After the last sbc2010 task i was playing around with this technik an tried to upload an edited FTR file.
But this way ist not possible with the scoring system in Condor Club. Because the system is able to check and validate the FTR file with the original task settings and maybe other things to verify the FTR file.

So i dont know why do you mean that i was cheating during flight?
I fly online with all other pilots like all other pilots and there is no difference to me.

There are many pilots in condor who know me and with whom I have seen many flights. I flew like everyone else with the same conditions. There were flights where I had made the right tactical decision and won. However, there were as many flights where I have lost.

I dont understnd the diskussion about cheating. Everytime when an pilot had a good run the community immediately condemned him as a cheater. Last time it was TIM now its me

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Achim