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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:43 pm 
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Yes, I do not doubt your problems, but with more than 330 pilots registred, you must understand that I will not want to discuss the IGC each pilot who had a computer problem very often...

I did this for fun, but rigorous - Thus, the pilots who want to compete, will study their flight plan, considering that a computer crash remains exceptional ...

I will not really have time to make case by case in these conditions....

Thank you for your understanding,
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:29 pm 
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Why no different timezones ? Not everybodyis able to fly at 1930 UTC....

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:48 pm 
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It has been already explained in this thread or anoter ... but I write it again for you ... :mrgreen: :

- This year, we want to start quite simple for our first big competition (if it is a success, we may consider multi-TimeZone next year).
- It is solving the cheating problem of pilot flying on two different servers with 2 different identities just to make their 2nd attempt better ! :roll:
- as the automatic system we use to launch the Condor Servers is not absolutely completely reliable (it is almost reliable anyway), one of us need to be present to be sure everything goes well ! With a small team we can do that 2 times a week but we cannot if there are Condor Servers on many timeZone during the competition days !

... we know it is not possible to be compliant with everyone request ! :(

We risk to loose lots of pilots living far away from Europe or pilots coming back late from work or pilots going to bed early, but we recover some good former Condor competitors which are flying only on Competitions as fair as possible !

So ... nothing is perfect ... !

PS.: as long as there is not a solid build-in Condor identification system ... multi-timeZone competitions wwon't be very fair !

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:22 pm 
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One more question:

Missing FTR policy: Scored with 0 point

Sending ftr is not a must, right?
Points on scoreboard are affected by number of participants and their performances...
(This means even single ftr may change points on table, a more or less of course.)

So - will system see those who not sended? And give them 0 pts... Or this no matter and day will be scoring just by sended ftrs?
Or maybe 0 points entries not affected whole table?

How is it in RL competitions? If someone fly a day but no his igc for scoring? 0 pts? DNF?
Is this affecting scores of rest participants or it is treated as just no fly?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:00 am 
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Hello guys,

I just want to bring a question based on some experiences i had last few days flying online tasks and also by reading from other ppl experiences.

Its about the plane recovery after colision.
I strongly support the idea that plane recovery must NOT have penality points, otherwise this makes the Q useless because a single penality can ruin someones race and its a waste of lifetime.
Most of the colisions i have seen were caused by internet lag and penalizing someone for something he cant control is completely unfair.

Im already thinking about it because i know my ping is usually above 300 when playing busy european servers and i dont want to ruin other pilots race or mine because of it.

You cant tell people to stay away from other gliders to avoid it because when competing, sometimes you must join that busy thermal, fly closer and then a single warp will ruin a race.

I hope you guys, the organizers agree to dont penalize for using colision recovery and if you do... make it be no more than 1 point. :?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:03 pm 
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This is below an extract of the rules (I think it is about to be published in this Condor Official Forum) :

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:arrow: Realism parameters
- Plane icon range (2 or 3 or 4 km): to be decided by the organization team at the end of the training day
- Thermal helpers : not allowed
- Turnpoint helper range : 0 km (even on no-PDA tasks)
- Realtime scoring: not allowed
- External view : allowed
- Padlock view : not allowed
- Plane recovery : not allowed
- Height recovery : not allowed
- Mid-air collision recovery : allowed with penalty (10pts)
- Cloud flying : allowed with penalty (60pts per min)


I personnaly think 10 pts is not too much, it stays a "symbolic punishment" to push pilot to fly a bit safer even if the way Condor decides which glider is damaged is not always very fair ! :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:48 pm 
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With a lot of reckless pilots in the thermal, one gets punished because someone else hits him ? Makes no sense.
Its a game, and it is played over the internet, which has relatively high latency...


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:08 pm 
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Serginho wrote:
I strongly support the idea that plane recovery must NOT have penality points, otherwise this makes the Q useless because a single penality can ruin someones race and its a waste of lifetime.
Most of the colisions i have seen were caused by internet lag and penalizing someone for something he cant control is completely unfair.

Im already thinking about it because i know my ping is usually above 300 when playing busy european servers and i dont want to ruin other pilots race or mine because of it.


+1
I think the danger of a unrecoverable spin after collision at low alt is enough to be careful and gentleman in thermals...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:01 pm 
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So if you are in the lead and u see you can't win anymore because ur rival is coming closer u wait him hits him and fly further? nice ;) shit rule fo sure

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:06 pm 
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JJJ wrote:
shit rule fo sure


Who wants to organize a competition like this from scratch, make the rules to satisfy everybody, spend money to rent servers etc. :?:

Raise your hand NOW :!:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:12 pm 
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I didn't mean it like that, i just think that one rule is crap not all of them..

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:13 pm 
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Come on guys ... its only 10 points !

Its not that much ... and if it may push some pilot to fly not so close ...!?

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Agree -10 points is not that much! Also let's hope this small penalty will force some pilots to fly safer, with better separation.
From my observation usually the same pilots take part in collisions... (Sure - possibly coz of lags! Don't know.)

As for JJJ - hitting someone and fly further - it is not so easy to hit someone and not crash the same time, so u have no guarantee - u can loose this 10 points as well. ;)

IMHO Safe flying and proper separation is a must in soaring sport. Even virtual and full of lags...

Just 2c...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:46 pm 
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I really think its a bad rule..
My vote is against it ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:58 pm 
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*Serginho raises his hand and shouts: i can help with the rules*
:mrgreen:

I just dont get it how you cant understand that its not about flying safer, its about internet lag!

I think 10 penality points is way too much.


Some think 10 is ok, some think 10 is too much...you can make everyone happy: make it 5pts. :wink:

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