Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

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Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby OXO » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:58 pm

Just to keep all the discussion in one place, here is a start. The pack is 5 gliders, all without winglets.

Std Libelle
DAeC index 98
H201b with 50l water, bigger fin/rudder, retractable gear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasfl%C3%BCgel_H-201

ASW-15
DAeC index 98
ASW-15b with water and retractable wheel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher_ASW_15

ASW-19B
DAeC index 100
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher_ASW_19

LS-4B
DAeC index 106
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolladen-Schneider_LS4

Jantar Std 3
DAeC index 100
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_Bielsko_SZD-48 - read down for the Std 3
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby mattmckrell » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:35 pm

Note that the wikipedia entry for the ASW-19 lists the max gross for the original
model of the 19. The B model had an increased max gross of 450kg I believe.

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby OXO » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:49 pm

mattmckrell wrote:Note that the wikipedia entry for the ASW-19 lists the max gross for the original
model of the 19. The B model had an increased max gross of 450kg I believe.

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:roll: To quote from the Wiki page I gave ..
With the ASW 19B version the maximum allowed amount of water ballast increased and the take-off weight can be raised to 454kg
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby 3W » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:51 pm

Hi OXO,
Not to be pushy but will there be more planepacks to follow by your design ? If yes, will you consider a 20m 2seater pack ( example : Duo-Discus, DG-1000, DG-500 or even Arcus ) ?? Also as a natural result to a "yes" would be a follow-up on the other classes like 2seat open-class, more 18m etc,etc !

If no,........... :cry:

Very nice work btw!

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby ybuqc » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:02 pm

Don't forget that adding a plane in Condor requires more than 3d modeling (which is already a lot)! For the Arcus, it might be quite difficult to get the flight data...
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby Simicro » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:16 pm

Condor Team is pleased to announce we have joined forces with Chris Wedgwood (you may better know him as OXO). He will help us with modelling and has already started to work on a new plane pack which will contain 5 club class planes (Libelle, ASW-19, LS-4, Jantar Standard 3 and ASW-15).


OXO can you clarify this please: modeling refers to the 3D model at least, but does it include the flight models?

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby OXO » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:40 pm

3W wrote:Hi OXO,
Not to be pushy but will there be more planepacks to follow by your design ? If yes, will you consider a 20m 2seater pack ( example : Duo-Discus, DG-1000, DG-500 or even Arcus ) ?? Also as a natural result to a "yes" would be a follow-up on the other classes like 2seat open-class, more 18m etc,etc !

If no,........... :cry:

Very nice work btw!

/3W.


Assuming Uros likes my work on the club class I hope to continue with more planes, yes.

Wether that is what you ask for is another matter ;)
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby OXO » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:50 pm

Simicro wrote:
Condor Team is pleased to announce we have joined forces with Chris Wedgwood (you may better know him as OXO). He will help us with modelling and has already started to work on a new plane pack which will contain 5 club class planes (Libelle, ASW-19, LS-4, Jantar Standard 3 and ASW-15).


OXO can you clarify this please: modeling refers to the 3D model at least, but does it include the flight models?


My work consists of all the visual elements, animations, etc.

Uros does the flight model physics.
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby Simicro » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:11 am

Understood, thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby Talisman » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:41 pm

Hi OXO,

This is awesome news! I can't wait for the release. If you are ever looking for test pilots, I fly a ASW-15B in RL and would be more than happy to put yours through its paces. Likewise, if you ever need pictures or design details just let me know.

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby OXO » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:10 pm

That's very helpful. I do need cockpit pictures. Both sides, front and back, showing all small details. Also need good pictures of the wheel.
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby Suvv » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:42 pm

OXO - I have a 50% share in a Libelle 201B (without winglets). If you need pics let me know what of and I'll see what I can do.

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby OXO » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:50 pm

Suvv wrote:OXO - I have a 50% share in a Libelle 201B (without winglets). If you need pics let me know what of and I'll see what I can do.


The libelle model is finished, but..

What we really need is a description of what it's like to fly.. handling etc.
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby Suvv » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:12 pm

It is a dream to fly, very nice smooth reaction to aileron and elevator input but has a sensitive rudder and, in comparison to other gliders, poor airbrakes unless you fly at the correct speed on approach - around 46-50 knots, any higher than that and the performance of the airbrakes deteriorates.

All controls are light to the touch but you find yourself making minor rudder adjustments very frequently.

I love flying it. Because it is sensitive and smooth you feel you are part of it. My experience of other glass machines is not extensive but I know that the clubs Astir by comparison feels like a heavy tank.

Others will probably give you better comparisons as it will be probably easier for you to get a comparison with gliders you are familiar with.

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby OXO » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:53 pm

Ah, the Astir :) I used to have one.. we called it the "Concrete Swan".

Thanks for the handling comments. Uros will be pleased..
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