Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby MrTumnus » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:37 am

Yes, for the BGA Handicaps, 98 is Discus, ASW 20, Mini Nimbus and DG505, but for the Daec it's DG100 and Apis.

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread - Libelle

Postby peppers_machine » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:01 am

G-DCYG - A few pics in the RL colour scheme, HusBos UK.
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby Love2Fly » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:28 am

White tires.. I like! :)
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby peppers_machine » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:34 am

Not good for field landings though!
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby tom eagles » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:57 am

ahh you mean this one ;P

Couldnt find a solution to adding the bga reg to rudder as its mirrored and is in reverse on the opposite side,

shrank down the libelle on tail fin as it was a nightmare to line up on rudder
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby peppers_machine » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:00 am

Your blue is better than mine and more like the RL one. How did you get that colour?
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby tom eagles » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:57 pm

when i made the skin i had the photo open in photoshop and just matched the colours
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby ONDR4.cz » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:59 pm

Tom, can I ask you how did you change the registration font? That's something I've always wanted to do :D.

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby tom eagles » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:10 pm

Nazdar Ondra,

Its easy I didnt change the font 8)

All I did was add the flag and registration to the skin directly and set the colour to white in condor options where you choose the colour you want it to be this hides the flag and registration.

Only disadvantage of this is no registration under the wing.

Hope this helps,

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby Dave M » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:50 pm

It's over thirty years since i last flew a glider a standard Libelle being one of them.Whats the difference between a standard Libelle and a Libelle H201B :roll: .

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby OXO » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:20 pm

Dave M wrote:It's over thirty years since i last flew a glider a standard Libelle being one of them.Whats the difference between a standard Libelle and a Libelle H201B :roll: .


None. It's the same thing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasfl%C3%BCgel_H-201
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby CarlPottle » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:27 pm

OXO wrote:
Dave M wrote:It's over thirty years since i last flew a glider a standard Libelle being one of them.Whats the difference between a standard Libelle and a Libelle H201B :roll: .


None. It's the same thing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasfl%C3%BCgel_H-201


Almost correct... The difference is on paper only. An H201 is not certified to carry water
ballast (higher gross weight) and has a lower VNE.

Converting an H201 to an H201B requires 3 things:

- airspeed indicator reads up to 250 km/hr
- new placard in the glider with higher VNE and gross weight
- new owners manual.

And of course the appropriate changes to the technical logs and government registration.

My Libelle H201 has the water ballast bags installed (by a previous owner) but it is
not legal for me to use them. I plan to do the paper work, just to make a future
sale a little easier.

In addition H201/H201B paper differences, there were a number of manufacturing changes
over the production run.

Early Standard Libelle's had upper and lower spoilers, some balsa wood was used,
and the vertical stabilizer and rudder were a little smaller.

Depending on serial number a particular glider may have some or all of these
differences.

I beleive the Condor Libelle is based on the later production gliders.

Having said all that, I find the Standard Libelle in Condor very similar to mine.
It performs a little better, but then a Condor glider is factory new :-) and
mine has seen 40 years of use.

The other difference, is the Condor spoilers are much more effective than
the spoilers on a real Libelle.

Thanks to the design team who brought us the Club Plane Pack. I really enjoy
my virtual Libelle.

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby arneh » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:49 pm

CarlPottle wrote:Almost correct... The difference is on paper only. An H201 is not certified to carry water ballast (higher gross weight) and has a lower VNE.


As far as I understand, the original standard Libelle were made to the older standard class rules which required a fixed wheel and no disposable ballast. Then when the standard class rules were changed the B-model was made for the new rules, with a retractable wheel and water ballast.


The other difference, is the Condor spoilers are much more effective than
the spoilers on a real Libelle.


Heh, I find the Libelle has the worst air brakes of any plane in Condor, so can't imagine how bad the real one must be :)

On the other hand, the LS4 and Jantar Std 3 seem to have better brakes than any other plane, you can make some really steep approaches with those :)
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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby CarlPottle » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:48 pm

As far as I understand, the original standard Libelle were made to the older standard class rules which required a fixed wheel and no disposable ballast. Then when the standard class rules were changed the B-model was made for the new rules, with a retractable wheel and water ballast.


You can find the revision history of the Standard Libelle here:

http://www.streifly.de/TNuebersicht201.pdf

It appears up to serial #321 were labelled as H201 when they left the factory.
You can see the two technical notes to convert an H201 to H201B.

Only serial #1-#35 had fixed gear from the factory.

The bottom spoilers were eliminated at #120.

According to Wikipedia 601 Standard Libelle's were built.

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Re: Club Class Plane Pack Development thread

Postby asw27x » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:23 am

i just got the club class plane pack and on the 19 for the airspeed its only a white box anyone else have this problem


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