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Hi,

I think it would be better to close the real target : cheaters ... and get them out of competitions ! Why not to make a black list or something like this ?

I think you know that if somebody want to cheat, he always find the way to do it ... whatever you can do against this ...

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The problem is that at this moment you have no way to do it. If you ban someone, you can't control that he doesn't return with another name and CN.

The only way to do that effectively would be to check/ban Competition ID, which is unique for every Condor installation. However this feature is only half implemented as the ID is only generated and stored in pilot profile but not used anywhere else

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Do I read using modified clouds is deemed cheating?
For example the Free software mod:
Soaring_Clouds_free_64Kb_Alpha74.189161651.exe
but also pay version.

No. The two cloudmod's by staylo and mattano are not cheating. They are just nice aditions like scenery's or new skins. But there is a potential for cheating I think.

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yes, I agree that Unique ID can solve many troubles, which have comp organizers. I assume, if this wont be implement soon, we have alternative how we can create such number.
We can read license key from your registery and make MD5 hash from it and save it to our database. There is no security problem, because isnt posible decode MD5 in reverse way and so we dont know your real license key number and it can not be misused.

Marek wrote:
...many ppl didnt use your special comp interface and in fact we have to use it because your databse allows publishing result online with IGC and FTR download, so there will be enough any mark that comp is timezoned and in this case will be result preview shifted about 24h.

Well... But when competition is timezoned people can easy distribute their igc + even more: impressions, advices and hints via e-mails, communicators etc... That's the main problem with timezones: for some pilots task may be less surprise than to others... But this is known for years... And is kind of trade-off I suppose.

As for all this discussion - the good point is that someone verified finally that cheating is (and was) unfortunately possible... :/ Now we need anti-cheating patch to the sim and I am hope it will be really soon.

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No matter where you go... There you are...

Hey community,

Nice to know thats possible. I dont care about people cheating that much. I can't understand wheres the "fun" while cheating.

I did not want him to get scored in -HI3- competition so i deleted his results. Nice that this was possible for me.
I think he wanted us to let know because it was totaly clear to everybody who recognized.

So maybe there are some pilots trying careful but its still fun to me.
Good for us to have chance to compare results in "See You" or tools like that.

The community will always recognize i think.
Just a question of time.

And i really cant understand people who like to get a good position in competition by cheating. Everybody could reach that with or without "the help of some friends".

So have some fun and cya.

iron

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So you mean there are a couple of them? Huh, so if you know them, everybody can and that sucks...


Thierry there is one thing that I find really interesting.

No, his way of cheating is fully detectable in FTR, and even possibly in IGC. - Okay, so you (we) know how to check if somebody is cheating. But the question is - do you know how to prevent it?



Well, it's hard for me to believe it.



Marek, till today I thought cheating in Condor was impossible (I mean changing weather conditions etc). Now it turns out everything is. Maybe you are right, I'm not an expert, but if somebody has found a way to cheat, he can do it in future.

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Nope, it's not easy, you have to be at least a little geek.


Yes, but I can't do something to prevent it from my side. Condor code has to be changed.

Thierry

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Sorry ahead for the ramble....

Now, I'm not surprised someone found a way to cheat. What else is new? Everyone wants a real life sim and competitions, sure. So do I. But people like 'enhanced' playing too. Some more than others.

So the guy is identified. Problem found. No need for lynching. And real life has its doping scandals too. Use they guy to find more loop holes! That kind of input is needed for dev.

Personally I had also wondered why some people got phenomenal speeds on tasks. Sure I'm a beginner, but where I averaged 40km/h others did 150-200. Beats me.

I've been in a discussion in the German forum (http://www.segelfluggalerie.de/Condor/v ... .php?t=707) on the topic of how to control realism in view of being able to set inflated weather scenarios. Similar issue. Even when not using geeky hacks. Results can't really be compared if they are flown in different weather situations. Change the thermal settings and double the speed. Or make a distance flight possible that wouldn't be otherwise.

It's beyond my knowledge, maybe someone can enlighten me, are those extremely good weather settings something that can be found in reality at all?

It would be really nice to have a flight logging ie CC (or whoever) that has a 'clean' database so the competition gets a bit more realistic.

So Thierry, is there any way to clean up the logging database of 'wonky' data as we are discussing here? Or just mark those as invalid? To use an analogy: if people want to play air guitar let 'em. Competitions and all. But I think I prefer the real thing. Well, at least as real as possible So if data that is based on one or the other 'cheat' could be eliminated that'd be great.

Possibly publishing or taking into consideration the weather data would be nice. Or is that not recorded in the ftr?

On a techi note: how about PGP signatures? Though that needs dev input. Or, something that maybe doable on the CC side, comparing back to the fpl on your server. If all the fpl data is in the ftr file.

just my thoughs Martin

Does P.Unk have a forum ID?

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Chris Wedgwood,
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