[Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

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[Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby PhilippeFP » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:14 am

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SBC2010 RULES

:arrow: Registration and dates
- SBC 2010 is an individual competition opened to all Condor pilots but registration on Condor Club is mandatory
- Competition is free but watch your available credits of ftr upload. If you are not a CondorClub premium member you can upload a maximum of 5 .ftr files per month
- Registration on condorsim.fr forum - http://www.condorsim.fr/communaute/ - is strongly recommended to be informed of technical problems especially when close to race time
- Dates : from sunday january 17th 2010 to thursday april 15th 2010 inclusive (One training day, january 14th 2010)
- Race days : thursday and sunday evening, each week (except Easter sunday)
- Total number of Race days : 25

:arrow: Briefing, gliders and sceneries
- "H" being the time when the servers open (see below), briefing will be available:
. in a simplified form on Condor Club and by eMail at H-45min
. in a comprehensive form on Condor Club at H-15min

- For each race, only one class of gliders will be allowed and defined (no "all class" races)
- No use of "fox", "PW-5" or "ASK13" gliders during this competition
- Required sceneries will be announced in advance in a specific topic. Besides the sceneries used for the next 3 races are displayed on Condor Club

:arrow: Condor Servers
- Simultaneous opening of at least 6 Condor Servers at 20H30 Paris time (CET) which is 19H30 UTC (in winter)
- Servers names (and category) : "FRxx - SBC2010 - server A" ("Condorsim.fr official servers") ... [or server B or C, D, E, F ...etc.]
- Password : will be notified in the Condor Club briefing and the eMail
- Maximum Ping allowed : 500 ms.
- Jointime : 30 mn (servers will be joinable between 19H30 UTC and 20H00 UTC)
- Race in : 15 mn for normal start, 20 mn for regatta start
- Start time window : opened during 90 mn (for normal start)

:arrow: Realism parameters
- Plane icon range (2 or 3 or 4 km): to be decided by the organization team at the end of the training day
- Thermal helpers : not allowed
- Turnpoint helper range : 0 km (even on no-PDA tasks)
- Realtime scoring: not allowed
- External view : allowed
- Padlock view : not allowed
- Plane recovery : not allowed
- Height recovery : not allowed
- Mid-air collision recovery : allowed with penalty (10pts)
- Cloud flying : allowed with penalty (60pts per min)

:arrow: Rules in the sky
- 10 km around the start line, thermals must be turned left (even if the pilot has started the task)
- You have to turn in the same direction than the first plane in the thermal. Any change of turn direction must be done outside of the thermal
- Restart after crossing the 1st waypoint is not allowed
- The glider with the ridge on his right wing has right of way
- Planes cross each others on the right side ("French way of driving" ;))
- Overtaking a glider must be done on the right side

:arrow: Scoring
- At the end, only the 14 best results of each pilot will be counted for his final general ranking
- To be scored, a pilot must upload his .ftr file on the Condor Club site before 01H30 UTC
- In case of disconnection, the pilot must continue the task offline without any delay and upload his .ftr file on Condor Club site right after his finish
- Even outlanded or crashed, each pilot has to upload his .ftr file on the Condor Club site before 01H30 UTC
- Due to the big number of competitors, we have to apply the rules without any exception so .ftr files sent out of delay will be ignored and considered as missing and consequently the race will not be scored
- A pilot disconnected from the server has to continue his flight without interruption, as if he were still connected. For obvious fairness reasons compared to the still connected pilots, the use of the 'Pause' Key is not allowed
- A pilot disconnected from the server has to upload his .ftr file to the Condor Club site WITHOUT ANY DELAY after the end of his flight, otherwise he will be considered as having used the Pause key abusively and will not be scored for that race
- A pilot disconnected from the server, and unable to upload any .ftr file after his flight, is considered as crashed as we have no way to prove it's not the case
- A Crash during a race gives a no score for the pilot at that race, but penalties are also given on the General scoring sheet :
Total penalties counted when you totalize :
1 crash = -50 pts.
2 crashes = -100 pts.
3 crashes = -200 pts.
4 crashes = -400 pts.

- A pilot with a total of 5 crashes is automaticaly disqualified

:arrow: Complaints and requests
- Complaints and requests by PM (Private Message on the Forum) or eMail will be completely ignored !
- Any complaint or request has to be submitted on forums http://forum.condorsoaring.com or http://www.condorsim.fr/communaute/sky- ... -f167.html

:arrow: Organization team
- The main organizer is PhilippeFP (FP) and he is assisted by TONY (AT) and LEAN (AL). They form the organization team
- The organization team can change the SBC2010 rules anytime, as necessary
- All the decisions of the organization team are final

:arrow: Cheating
- The organization team will take action against cheating pilots
- Cheating can lead to disqualification

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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby RaiderOne » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:00 pm

:arrow: In the NOTAM tab, the Realism parameter called :
:arrow: "Plane Icons Range" should be reduced to 4 Kms. on all type of tasks !

(i.e. other planes around show you their "text Icon" if they are at a distance lower than 4 Kms. from you)

The past experiences showed us that it is a good compromise between "flying not alone in the air" and "not seeing planes too far away to be tempted follow the best pilots easily" ! 8)
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby RaiderOne » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:12 pm

Nobody has to say something about this distance of 4 Kms. ?

It does fit to any pilot around ... ! Wow ... nice ! :mrgreen:
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby JJJ » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:13 pm

imho 1km is better, or just none so u can make it more real and only cockpit view? :)
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby 22 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:57 pm

dont race its just for fun Jeer' :wink: what I remember from my flights over Czech...1 km is reality..I didnt see any plane closely except 7-8 fighters and 2 airliners if I dont count their sky marking.. :wink: normally I was shocked when I saw plane nearly than 500m because inversion! (all are white :evil: ) :idea:

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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby RaiderOne » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:51 pm

JJJ wrote:imho 1km is better, or just none so u can make it more real and only cockpit view? :)


Humm ... it's a bit hard I guess for quite a lot of people who are already registreted ...

"CockpitView Only" ... we will discuss about it ... but if the task is "NoPDA" then it is obviously with no external views !
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby RaiderOne » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:09 pm

:arrow: A few more infos about the race conditions and the rules :

- The briefing (a very light one) will not be sent by mail, but, as in the LowLandsCup, only visible for the registreted pilots on the Condor-Club !

- This light Briefing will be visible only 15 minutes before Condor Servers starts (so 45 min before end of JoinTime, or 1 hour before opening of the startingLine).

- The plane crash management is still in discussion but we decided it to be quite more tough than as usual ... it will probably be something like :
  • 0 points for the race of the crash (as usual) and ranking of the other pilots as usual (FAI rules).
  • No exclusion for next races.
  • A penalty (negative points added) on the global total of points of the crashed pilot. The value of this penalty depends on how many previous crashed have been counted for that pilot : We could do (but still not decided) 1st crash = -50 pts, 2nd = -150, 3rd = -400, 4th = -800, 5th = exclusion of the competition.

Stay tuned ... :)
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby Strider69 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:18 pm

So if you land out then you need to disconnect immediately if you are on anything other than flat ground? Not a very sociable flight then.
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby Jack Hart » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:31 pm

JJJ wrote:imho 1km is better, or just none so u can make it more real and only cockpit view? :)


+1

1 km is close to RL, and does prevent a lot of "follow the leader".

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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby Strider69 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:40 pm

Aw come on Jack, you know we all love following you. LOL :lol: :lol:
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby Pit_R » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:01 pm

4km is for sure too far...

IMHO:
2 km could be nice compromise between telescopic view and realism...

Outside wiev as it is set atm is not realistic but it is nice to take fresh breath from outside of plane from time to time...

IMHO:
Leave it as is, but for some tasks just block outside view (for flatland tasks, those with less mountains, no pda (as u said) etc

120 min for start is too much, as those who can wait 2h - may have much better weather sometimes ;)

IMHO:
45-60 min for start could be enough (also - don't make it same for all tasks - use it depend of task, flexible)

Mid-air collision recovery : allowed with penalty (symbolic)

IMHO:
-5 pts for Q using, sure u can be crashed by someone, but separation is the most important thing... ;)

The briefing (a very light one) for 15 min

imho:
Briefing with weather don't need to be too precise and too accurate (yes! - may be wrong sometimes, as forecasts are) but hope some vital infos will be there (true or little wrong): those which can be easy known if u're on the ground before start, like => cloud coverage, more or less wind dir. (NNW etc), +- cloudbase alt, wind strenght: smthng like 'light wind', etc

Turnpoint helper range : 0 km

imho:
Set it to 1km :D During LLC those helpers was visible and turnopints was 90 degrees. Why not to make this one for tradition reasons? :)

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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby JJJ » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:38 pm

I think 120min window is more realistic anyways, keep that one.
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby TimKuijpers » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:46 pm

We will have to take it the way it's given.
But back to LLC and SBC means more arcade than current comps.
Maybe it's good that there are some differences, maybe we need differences..
Of course I have an opinion, but I know that we will all join the competition.. nomatter what the rules end up
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby RaiderOne » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:12 pm

OK ... nice debate !
We hear everything ... PhilippeFP will decide by the end after having listened the small team (around him) recommandations. :mrgreen:

Anyway I can myself answer to some proposal :

  • It will definetly be 0Km. for "TurnPoint Helpers Range" for the tasks With PDA and TPs will always be BeerCans of 500m. radius ! Since the LLC in end 2005, the average level of the Condor Pilots in Competition has raised so in the SBC at least the last one, this Visibility range was already 0Km ! So it is no more a problem for almost all the pilots registrated !
  • "TurnPoint Helpers Range" for the tasks WithOut PDA should be 0Km. as well ... but it will be discussed. Anyway, not many tasks WithOut PDA will be proposed by PhilippeFP !
  • For the crash due to a bad outlanding ... we will see what to precise in the rules. But the pilot who is about to go for outlanding has to anticipate the choice of the field where to outland ... just like in real ! In Condor, outlanding on a flat field without trees is not a problem ... in mountain or over forests its not the same as you know, so pilots has to take care of those risks of bad outlandings !
  • Anyway, a .ftr file, with a non ended flight (no landing, no crash) uploaded to be scored will be considered as a crash !
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Re: [Sky Battle Cup 2010] Rules

Postby n.volov » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:50 pm

Strider69 wrote:So if you land out then you need to disconnect immediately if you are on anything other than flat ground? Not a very sociable flight then.


A solution could be to take a screenshot with the sentence " xxx landed" by the way if the outlanded pilot has a bug crash due to unflat terrain after that, he has a proof of his clean landing and he has all the time he needs to say bye to all his still-flying-friends

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