CONDOR

~Up Cup~ CCSC (June 2012)

~Up Cup~ CCSC is an evolving Condor Competition with an emphasis on realism and having fun in
good soaring conditions.

Tasks and scoring:
The competition will be held on a month by month basis until further notice.
There will be a daily task for different time zones @ 23:00, 05:00, 11:00, 17:00 UTC except Monday.
Your best 10 flights each month will count as your competition score for that month.

Tasking will be flexible and competitors are welcome to submit tasks, conditionally.......
1. Subject to approval by the Competition Organisers
2. You created and saved them wholly in Condor, (not edited in notepad etc.)
3. You relinquish all intellectual property and other rights and claims to your creations
4. You agree that the organisers will edit and rename the tasks, edits will mainly be NOTAM
parameters, as we prefer not to make changes that have a significant effects on the task.

Crash Policy:
Crashing automatically scores 0 points. Do not crash.
Avoid Mid Air Collisions! Problem pilots may be banned from the competition.

Addon Scenery:
A variety of third party addon scenery will be used, including some photo-real scenery that may cause
problems if your Condor settings are set too high. English help is available to resolve these issues if
they occur by contacting the competition organisers.
It is the competitor's responsibility to be prepared with all addon scenery used by this competition.
If you do not have some scenery and cannot compete today, then try again tomorrow or download
and test some more addon scenery! Tasks cannot be changed on short notice because some pilot does
not have a scenery, please understand this.
If you have some other problems with scenery, please let us know and we may be able to help.

Server:
~Up~ servers are located in Australia, expect high pings for many pilots. However, the server
connection and related equipment should be adequate, and there should be few problems as long as
you keep clear of other gliders!

Please be patient while development is in progress and feel free to discuss the competition here.

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Sounds like some good fun after a day flying in the sun or (sort of) studying.
What do you mean by "avoid mid-air crashes"? Do you mean that you get penalized for an unintentional mid-air?
I think most Condorpilots wants to avoid mid-airs, but it happens much more frequently in Condor. I think one of the reasons is, that for many it is very hard to keep a good lookout while flying without the feeling. Also, not everybody can afford TrackIR and similar tools which makes this much easier and more natural. Penalizing for an accidental mid-air in Condor is a little bit to harsh if you ask me.
That way, pilots who flies safe might gets penalized because of others stupid actions or a bad internet connection etc.

I like the part with the problem pilots though. Unfortunately there are always someone who loves not following the rules of gaggleflying or maybe finds it somewhat fun to crash into others.

Cheers!
Kriss

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This is exactly the type of pilot I made the comment about, pilots will not be penalized unless they
are disrupting the competition. I thought it best to include the "Rules" of the competition, such as they are.
Maybe they sounded harsh and formal, but this is not meant to be such a serious competition, it's meant to
be fun for all competitors, the ground rules are there just in case we need to act on them.

The zero point crash policy is simply in place to deter Q'ing so pilots fly more carefully and realistically.
The only problem is that this is unfair to a pilot who is struck by a wreckless or malicious pilot.

If anyone spots a troublemaker, repeatedly crashing into other pilots, report it here and we will ban them.
"startvotekick <user>" is also enabled on the servers, for immediate problem solving if required.

congo

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Yeah, Right...

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PH-1999 (EDB) aka PH-1074 (M8)

Yes, this is right.

The server for ~Up~ CCSC also acts as a backup host for USNS, and other online comps,
has been hosting ~Up~, ~Up EZ~, TrackMania, IL2FB, COD series, MSFS series, Arma2 etc.
for many years with few apparent problems. Feedback from players/pilots when asked about
server playability and smoothness has been positive.

The server's ISP owns it's network and Trans Pacific fibre optic link, which may help.
The server is bandwidth limited so there are currently 4 time slots of 32 competitors each on
~Up~ CCSC, at 6 hour intervals, but I am thinking of changing this and running it 24/7
like I did with the ~Up~ servers. However, this would mean I could not use the Condor Club's
Competiton manager I believe.

Running the competition using Condor Club's Competition Manager is presenting me with some new
challenges, a substantial scheduling workload and some anomalies in the DS Helper scheduler, so we'll see.
The choice to use Condor Club's Competition Manager was made because it's scoring system and database
system is excellent, and it relieves the organisers of the competition from the scoring workload and errors.

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CC manages competition days with 24/7 task!

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Ok, I need to find out how to do this. As well as some other stuff related to Condor Club.
I thought I had it all worked out when I opened the competition, but many issues arose
afterwards that I did not forsee.

I found that pilot registration cannot happen on competition days.
How do pilots register for a competition that is current on a daily basis?

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I am now delaying the first competition day until next week so pilots can register !
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Also.....
Some confusion over Condor Club emailing me the .fpl's, (Must use this attached file!)......
only to find they are not CC tasks they sent me, but my original .fpl's I uploaded,
still un-converted to CC tasks? DS Helper would not send results until I added the correct CC .fpl's

.......I cancelled the first competition I created because I did not know that PASSWORD
or TIME SLOT enabling cannot be changed once the competition is activated,
at least not from the competition manager. Is there anyway around this?
As stated above, the first comp had to be cancelled, it is now archived, but never flown,
is it possible to have it removed from the Archives section in Condor Club?

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Indeed, if there is a task currently running, the registration page is not accessible. This page is used of course to register the first time but also to change the registration after that (change of slot...).
So if the access is allowed, one can register for 1st slot and post result, then register for the 2nd slot and so on...)
You need to preserve some break between tasks (run it 3 days then wait 2 days before the next one for example).



The FPL is slightly tagged. You can use your original FPL but 1) DS Helper won't send results and 2) it's less error-proof (if you modify even a bit the FPL after having posted it on CC, FTR will be rejected).


Password is generated for a competition day and a slot. Why would you change the password???
Each competition has its own "format". If you change from one format (ie with time slots) to another one (ie without time slots), there are some nasty side effects. Everything already done (task posted, competitors, results, ...) need to be revalidated/changed/approved. And that's not possible to do it automatically.


Yes, it's done.

Cheers,
Thierry

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Thanks for the advice Thierry,

To clarify:
Say the task I create and upload to CC is named "mytask.fpl".
When I normally upload a task to CC, then re-download the task from CC for server use,
CC would rename it to "mytask_CC.fpl", however, the .fpl files that CC attached to my competition
advisory email returned as "mytask.fpl", and NOT as "mytask_CC.fpl". This seemed strange.

Are you saying to use the attached files from CC in the advisory email because they are somehow tagged,
even though the filenames appear unchanged?

I ask this because I am almost sure that we trialled those .fpl files received from CC and there was a DSH error
message like "Not a Condor Club task, results will not be sent".

I need to get this right because there are no results coming through as yet, unless CC does not
log results for the training days....

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As for the server passwords, it's not that I wanted to change a server password, it was just that
I did not realise you could not change from a passworded comp to a non passworded comp.
We were unsure of the format we wanted to use for this comp at the time, and we incorrectly
assumed it could be changed later. Same goes for the timeslot option, it's not apparent in the
comp builder that these options cannot be later edited. I think that's the cause of the confusion,
some options can be changed and some cannot, but I know now!

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Other questions now.....

1. A registered pilot chooses slot (0) but they miss their race. Is it possible to personally give
them the password to the following timeslot (6), (12), etc. so they can compete in the next slot, or
are the results hardcoded to their pilot registration in slot (0) ?

2. If I wish to run a task 24/7 or possibly multiple tasks through the week, say 4 or 5 tasks for
example for 24 hours each, in a Condor Club Competition, is this possible?
In a post above, you stated that CC manages 24/7 comps, but I'm not sure how this would be done?
Perhaps there is a tutorial I need to read?

3. If I choose to run an "Offline" CC competition, do online results get counted as well? Perhaps
this would better suit my intentions?

Thank you again for your quick reply and help Thierry, much appreciated.

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Hi,
it will be possible to change the time zone depending of the race day?
it would be useful being the race everyday

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I think this will not be possible on a day to day basis because changes cannot be made on "Race Day".
So, if I run daily "Race Days", there is no time to change time slots!

Sure, during the non race days, I believe it is ok to change slots.

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The first Competition task was flown today. Thanks to all competitors!

New pilot registrations will have to wait for next Sunday / Monday as there are race days
every day until then.

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hi Congo

invalid Password I am set for 17:00 - all correct - but i think, the Password from the server is not changed (from Trainingtask)???
here is definitivly somthing wrong. hmmmm ... sorry about.
greezz..
Markus 1P

Hi i try start at 17 UTC, but i have not pass. Where i can find it?
In other competitinos i take pass in e-mail.

Please Check your Private Messages.

It is possible that something went wrong, (probably my fault),
however, I have been checking very carefully that the passwords are correct.
I just checked again, and they are set correctly on the server for each time slot.

Please quote your time slot as UTC time, or specify your time slot.
(+0hr), (+6hr), (+12hr), (+18hr).
I think you mean 17:00 UTC, but I must be sure to track the problem.
You should see the server appear in the server list as:
"~Up Cup~ CCSC (18)" if your time slot is 17:00 UTC.
This corresponds to time slot 4, +18 hours from slot 1.

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