CONDOR

Its only a month until the end of the KC2010. Most of the Condor pilots are slowly starting to get their equipment ready for the real gliding season, polishing the bikes or checking the lawn mower for readiness. But before you all leave the house, I want to request you to drop below a small comment, your thoughts, your recommendations. Whoever in the future will be organizing a competition like this, may come along and read this. If you don´t want to speak in public, you also should not hesitate to contact me directly via PM.

Thank you for your help!

Frank (FL)

Yep, We all hate you.

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Basil Fawlty (RCB)

I have to say that in general this has been a good competition. Well organized and smoothly and reliably running almost every time. The tasks have been (mostly) fun and interesting, though I personally would have preferred even a little more variety. A few more really difficult tasks (maybe a blue thermal task? though it should probably be a regatta then, to not have everyone just outwaiting each other at the start...), but also a few more easy ridge tasks (but not totally arcade!). I would also like to see more landscapes used for tasks. I know it makes it a little harder for everyone who has to download all those landscapes, but it adds variety, and there's a lot of high quality landscapes out there now which are too rarely used in competitions. Too often competitions continue to use the same old sceneries over and over... It's not that I don't like to fly in West Swiss, Eastern Alps or Provence, but I would like to see some more and newer sceneries used also.

I think it also sufferes a little bit because there are fewer competitors than e.g. last year's SBC. Personally I think there are primarily two reasons for that, first having to pay, even if it's just a small fee will cause less people to join. And second that last year's SBC team also put up a big competition. For those who only have limited time to fly they're unlikely to join both, and the one with an entry fee is likely to suffer...
Not that that describes me, I'm glad to have four days a week with big competition races (also counting MNS) And most of the very top pilots seem to have join KC so the level is high. And I'm very pleased about my own performance, to be right up there with pilots like NX, BAD, 3P and LS, and even on occasion winning races against pilots of such skill! Compared to last year when I did my first big competition (SBC), where the best task result I got was a 10th place and barely over 900 points once, it's quite an improvement for me

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I liked this competition In almost all tasks I had received surprises, which made races remembered, and no one task was boring. And I agree with AXM that it will be good to see more difficult tasks, approximated to reality, on more sceneries. On the other hand I see decreasing interest to competition from big number of pilots. May be it is related to more complexity of tasks than usual.
Unfortunately I was not participated in old competitions like Speed Battle or Sky Race, and I cannot compare them with KC2010, but your Cup for me is almost ideal on all aspects. So let's going, Kaesemanns!

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Best Regards,
Dmitriy Balykin aka BAD

Hi all,

First of all I can tell you I enjoyed flying in server D after race day 10, I couldn't fly the races before cause of my computer problems and some sundays because my school period was verry bussy. Anyway I did like to fly the task and tried to fly contstant but the tasks were not really, that good for me. I was used to look up the task well and made my typical mistake to not do the route I was about to fly (planning).

I wanna say Congratulations for your servers! They were up ALL time, good pings and barely got some lags. When P14 came you did an outstanding job by testing servers and we could fly! I wanna say that this competition really improves your real flying. I saw tasks that will probably have situations as in real and in virtual life.

I had just one - points.. The participants were not that much atleast, I saw each raceday 5servers or more and I don't think I saw more as 100people on the scoreboard. This is a pity but maybe find a solution for that but all by all it was a pleasure competition. Hope it will be for the next 10races aswell!

Regards JJJ

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CN: JJJ
REG: D-1688
I fly for fun. But winning, itself, is good fun

And quite a few pilots only flew a few races, Can we have some comments from them.

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Basil Fawlty (RCB)

From Aero1 @ Topic of Competition days

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CN: JJJ
REG: D-1688
I fly for fun. But winning, itself, is good fun

Yes but he does only have 3 posts. Still a newbie i would say.

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Basil Fawlty (RCB)

I flew only three races online and tried a few offline when i had time.
After the last years big competition I've just excepted more balanced rules to make competing more harder or more realistic: more days counted, more penalties for crash and disconnections without ftr, etc.
Without these I couldn't pick up the Condor Competing Fun. So the problem is in my gear...
Flying just for fun on a competition takes to much time nowadays and the results... never can be acceptable. - and we have Fawlty Towers.
After P14 I decided to take part in all of Club Class days but I was completely unsuccessful with my plan.

The few tasks I've tried was good.
If I could I would vote more realistic tasks, more hard task and more new landscapes. For example Eastern Alps is the worst scenery technically and the worst about the Alps too. Squashed, not detailed and buggy height data, just green and gray putted over with the main 3d objects of Condor whats looking bad and just eating memory. Do we really need it? If yes we should go to condorworld.eu site and voting for EA on the wishlist.

I can't find flame in these topics so the organization must be perfect and I don't think a competition needs hundreds of pilots. Last year there was massive advertising about a big competition is needed for the community and a lot of pilots registered. But how many flew at least the minimum counted races? Maybe nothing more than the number of the active the pilots of the competitions running now. A “usual” Condor competition interest the same group of pilots and more competition could share the fans, thats all.

KC2010 with the Skyrace's rules of scoring would be my favorite competition, but maybe I'm left alone with my opinion.

Just one more, the merged topic wasn't a good idea since SOI find a new way of spamming with those hi-res pics and stealing time whats payed for loading from those who just wan't to read news a*nd* reports.

Cu in KC2011!

I am loosing fun in the fact that the competition takes so long. That is unrealistic when you compare it to RL.
I really miss the monthly scoring like we had in LLC. In old SBC it was still there but it didn't mean anything for scoring.
They way I see KC is more of a ladder than a competition. (same as MNS).
There are soo many races, and in the end the best pilots will always be on top. The more races, the less luck is needed.

If you'd fly shorter competitions, and combine them in a final result, you'll also include people that won't spend 4 month's of competing, but do like to fly 8 races in 1 month. What you could do then is seperate different disciplines: 1 comp of flatland flying, 1 comp mountain flying, 1 comp open class, 1 comp std class, 1 comp AAT, 1 comp Grandprix, etc. You'll get a good mixture, and more competition during each month as it is more fun to compete for places, than rather just points. And as it is now with 42 races, it's really hard to keep track of what is going on in the standings. Plus: flights don't really matter much as half of them won't be counted.

I think it's time to include bad flights in the scoring, not the best ones. Competitions are usually won on difficult days, while on the racing days it's only a matter of 100p between the top pilots. On bad days one can loose over 500p.. My flutter incident should be punnished. (not in KC2010 though! ) And so should Dimitry's 500, 600, and 700p days. Remarkable is that Dimitry didn't land out, and when he got out of the race, he fought himselve back.

The big difference then becomes that now we are fighting to win 10 maybe 20 points. But when it get's hard on a flight we should be fighting to save us 500 points, and at least finnish the task. As it is now, there is no use for me to continue flying when I got stuck for more than 5 minutes.. But in fact I've had most satisfaction during flights where I got in deep trouble, but managed to find a way out. I'd rather get rewarded for that, than for a straight forward 1000p.

So I'd like competitions which will have 8 days counted. (or less)
More flights counted, prefarably let the best and worst flights count (or maybe all flights, and add a virtual score for the flight that has been missed by the avarage of all flights -100)
Seperate flatland from mountain flying, you'll see different
Seperate regatta starts from startwindow tasks.
Plane icon visibility increased to 6km or more

I wouldn't mind to experiment, I believe that the Czech comunity had some fixed airfield competitions. But I wasn't able to fly em.


So these are some my thoughts about condor competition flying.
But for the formula you chose in the beginning, it went close to perfect.
The only comment I have is: start altitude is too low

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Dutch (Junior) Gliding Team

I agree that it would be nice to have a competition where most or preferably all results counted. The problem however, is that only a few people are able to compete every time, as often real life makes demands which precludes one from taking part sometimes. And it's annoying to be out of the running just because you couldn't participate one or two days.

I have taken part in a couple of contests where every result counted, like last year's virtual world championship. It was certainly fun when you had to make the best of a bad situation every time something went bad, and I learned a lot! But I, like most others, were unable to compete some days, and it sort of turned into a competition of who could compete the most days, rather than who could fly the best... (not saying the winners didn't also fly well, and probably the best).

But something like your average score -100 for missed days may work. Then you'll still stand a chance even if you miss some days.

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I cant agree with this. In RL where I am participate in competition I have all race days free from work and 100% concentrated on races. Many races I should run in not optimal state of health due to busy day. So if someone had more free work shedule and more free time - he will have much more chances to show good result.
I thought counting formula with choising 1/2 or up to 2/3 best results is the best for long virtual competitions.
Here I am missing every 4-th race so, for example, -100 in each missed day equal for me -1000 point and no chances to claim on high positions.

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Best Regards,
Dmitriy Balykin aka BAD

27.03.2011 Ktoś zapomniał że został przesunięty czas o 1 godz. i informację o zadaniu i hasło dostałem za późno.
Nie mogłem dołączyć do servera ,myślę że zadanie powinno być powtórzone

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