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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:40 am 
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@ASW-CS:
Did you post the FTR on the COMPETITION page, as indicated in briefing email?

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There is a max-height limit on start, check "Task" in Flight Planner (first thing you see when you join the server), on each TP, there is a green square with "XX-YY" in.
XX is the minimal height and YY the max height. You have to fly between these limit to validate the turn. For example "5-13" indicates a minimal height of 500m and maximal of 1300m. If there is nothing, then the default limits apply (>=0m and <=5000m)
If you don't see "Loaded Dice has started the task" (or "turned TP xxx") when turning the TP, you know then the TP is not validated and you have to retry.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:47 am 
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Thanks for the explanation @BOD1. I guessed i must have messed up something right on the start because it seemed really unusual I was so high above the rest of the crowd :-(. It's back to reading the manual for me and will pay more attention to the briefing the next time. Despite the initial disappointment, I must say that I had a really great time yesterday and will definitely continue flying in SBC2012 and Condor :-)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:37 pm 
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Hi BOD1,

I am afraid I didn´t recognized it anywhere. All I had in mind was to upload my .ftr to Condor-Club.eu as it is written in red letters in the rules.
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=12837
This was a little confusing. But at the end my fault!

So I have to follow Ilija oppinion and read the briefing more properly the next time. Thank you for your answer!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:10 pm 
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Just curious...
Is this correct..? All have the same number of points, but the difference in achievement is huge. Look for example @ 55 vs MG9.
I did a search on the way scoring is done, but found the answers inconclusive.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:51 pm 
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Question.
I read in the Rules Topic : "Turnpoint helper range : 0 km (even on no-PDA tasks)" :shock:

Do we get to see pictures of the turnpoints in the briefing..?
And will those turnpoints be recognisable objects..? Like a tower, village, bridge, roadsection or runway and not some anonymous hill..?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:38 pm 
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EDB wrote:
Just curious...
Is this correct..? All have the same number of points, but the difference in achievement is huge. Look for example @ 55 vs MG9.
I did a search on the way scoring is done, but found the answers inconclusive.


I think those are distance points, only those heigher than 2/3 of best speed get speed points.

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macsimc wrote:
I think those are distance points, only those heigher than 2/3 of best speed get speed points.

OK,
Is there a page/topic with all the scoring rules/formula's..?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:21 pm 
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I don't know if the rules are somewhere but I think the scoring is 1000p without day devaluation.
see Section 8.4.1 from this pdf for the formula: http://www.pribinacup.sk/egc2011/files/sc3a.pdf

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:49 am 
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If almost everyone finishes, a pilot with 2/3 of the winner´s speed will get about 1/3 of the winner´s score. All non-finishers will get fewer points, proportional to their distance.

138,29kmh/3*2=92,19kmh > correct
995,48/3 =331,83 not 617,10 :?:

FIA is used as an example, but with other factors I think...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:18 am 
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EDB wrote:
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If almost everyone finishes, a pilot with 2/3 of the winner´s speed will get about 1/3 of the winner´s score. All non-finishers will get fewer points, proportional to their distance.

138,29kmh/3*2=92,19kmh > correct
995,48/3 =331,83 not 617,10 :?:


It's actually not finishers, but number of finishers with at least 2/3 of the winner's speed. 126 pilots finished within that speed at SBC day 1, out of a total 221 participants, so that's a long way from "almost everyone".

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arneh wrote:
It's actually not finishers, but number of finishers with at least 2/3 of the winner's speed. 126 pilots finished within that speed at SBC day 1, out of a total 221 participants, so that's a long way from "almost everyone".

I was thinking about that also. But in real life there aren't that many crashes, I hope... You can get a reported crash in Condor just by having a bluescreen. It's a sim, not real life.
So if you exclude the 'crashes', you get 142 finishers out of 155. That's almost everyone. Maybe the rules should use a percentage here...

I also understand from earlier posts that there is no DAeC indexing..?
I find it interesting to know how scoring goes in Condor/Condor-Club. Some more info is appreciated. And then put it in a sticky maybe..?

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I'm not that into scoring (yet). I'm a Condor rookie and I'm flying for fun.
But at the finish there's always that curiosity; 'how did I do compared to others...?'. 'Am I improving..?'
But that also raises the question: 'does the scoring really tells you all about your achievement?'

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Thanks to all the people that make these online competitions possible.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:26 am 
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EDB wrote:
arneh wrote:
It's actually not finishers, but number of finishers with at least 2/3 of the winner's speed. 126 pilots finished within that speed at SBC day 1, out of a total 221 participants, so that's a long way from "almost everyone".

I was thinking about that also. But in real life there aren't that many crashes, I hope... You can get a reported crash in Condor just by having a bluescreen. It's a sim, not real life.
So if you exclude the 'crashes', you get 142 finishers out of 155. That's almost everyone. Maybe the rules should use a percentage here...


To work the points calculations kind of assumes you know the result of all competitors. And for that everyone needs to send their ftr file. Of course many won't do that, particulary on days they do poorly (this is also a side effect of another peculiarity compared to real life, that in most Condor contests only your best days count, wheras in real life all days count).

It used to be that those who didn't submit the ftr file (which was most people who crashed, outlanded or otherwise did poorly), didn't count in these calculations, and we would get artificially high number of finishers. That meant that the scores for those that did finish was more spread out, i.e. everyone except the winner got less points.
That made it actually an advantage to not submit the ftr on the days you did poorly, since then all of your competitors (except the winner) got less points than they would if you did submit it. So it was decided that it would be more fair to count those who doesn't submit to have not finished. We want to encourage people to send ftr files, not make it an advantage not to do it.

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Hello,
I don't know exactly how scoring is made, but i can tell you that it's ALWAYS an advantage to submitt your .ftr after the race, even you outlanded or made a poorly flight, because if you don't do it, your flight is counted like a crash and you have penalties on general ranking.
One crash is not too expensive, but after 2, 3 or 4 crashes, sure it will cost the victory ...
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- A Crash during a race gives a no score for the pilot at that race, but penalties are also given on the General scoring sheet :
Total penalties counted when you totalize :
1 crash = -50 pts.
2 crashes = -100 pts.
3 crashes = -200 pts.
4 crashes = -400 pts.
5 crashes = -800 pts.
6 crashes = -1600 pts.
7 crashes = -3200 pts.

Think about this, next time :wink:

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About DAEC indexing - it is only used when mixing classes.
When competition is in 18m class only, its your "fault" if you show up with inferior equipment.


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cruiser wrote:
About DAEC indexing - it is only used when mixing classes.

Okay...

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